Good point Michael… didn’t think about Mary’s other children :) There indeed is no way to prove her virginity when she bore children after Jesus

At least read and understand that which you wish to ridicule… If anything I’m hoping to at least help you know more about your own beliefs and why you believe what you do.

I’d also like to go back to one of my original points since you now have admitted that you don’t believe in the God of creation according to the bible references I previously posted.

Albert Einstein was a non-Christian scientist who spent way more time studying the universe and its governing laws than you or I or even most people on this earth, and he is arguably one of the most brilliant scientists of all time. His studying led him to the following humbling conclusions and quotes about the existence of God:

“I’m not an atheist and I don’t think I can call myself a pantheist. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many different languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn’t know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God”

“My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind.”

“I want to know God’s thoughts; the rest are details.”

“God does not care about our mathematical difficulties. He integrates empirically.”

“Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind.” (I especially like this quote, because although I have studied in science and engineering, I have yet to see how science has proven that God does not exist or that Jesus is not God)

Now if Albert Einstein studied and comprehended so much more about our universe and drew these conclusions, do you still feel comfortable about your stance on God? You may be well versed in economic theories, principles and people, but have you studied enough about the creation of this world you live in to disagree with Albert Einstein’s humbled conclusions about how little he actually knows in comparison to the Creator of the universe when he is one of the most brilliant men ever?

Now belief that there is a supernatural Creator who set this world which we live in into motion is STEP 1. Once you can get to this point, then the possibilities of other supernatural biblical events such as Jesus’ virgin birth, etc. would seem quite possible for the hands of such a Creator. To argue that God may not have CHOSEN to come to the earth in the form of a human named Jesus does not exclude the possibility that HE DID CHOOSE to do so. To simply dismiss it altogether without proper thought or research because it does not match up to your own world view about life is foolishness. As a former dogmatic atheist I know this firsthand. The more I realized I couldn’t defend my beliefs as an atheist and actually didn’t have answers to disprove God, the more dogmatic I became… to cover my insecurities. Until the day that I opened my eyes and my mind and realized that there is much more to this world we live in than my dogmatic and arrogant ways. Jesus Christ is alive and well today through the Holy Spirit He spoke of in the bible. I know this not because I saw the Spirit, but because I asked who He was, and He answered me.

Here are more quotes by Albert Einstein about asking questions and having open eyes and an open mind….

“The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed.”

“The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing.”

I’d recommend that you take Albert’s advice and ask more questions. It appears your dogmatism is your biggest barrier… it used to be mine as well.

The Birth of Jesus Christ (NIV Matthew 1)
18This is how the birth of Jesus Christ came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be with child through the Holy Spirit. 19Because Joseph her husband was a righteous man and did not want to expose her to public disgrace, he had in mind to divorce her quietly.

20But after he had considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, “Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. 21She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus,[c] because he will save his people from their sins.”

22All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: 23″The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel”[d]—which means, “God with us.”

24When Joseph woke up, he did what the angel of the Lord had commanded him and took Mary home as his wife. 25But he had no union with her until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus.

The Birth of Jesus Foretold (NIV Luke 1)
26In the sixth month, God sent the angel Gabriel to Nazareth, a town in Galilee, 27to a virgin pledged to be married to a man named Joseph, a descendant of David. The virgin’s name was Mary. 28The angel went to her and said, “Greetings, you who are highly favored! The Lord is with you.”

29Mary was greatly troubled at his words and wondered what kind of greeting this might be. 30But the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, you have found favor with God. 31You will be with child and give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus. 32He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, 33and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever; his kingdom will never end.”

34″How will this be,” Mary asked the angel, “since I am a virgin?”

35The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called[c] the Son of God. 36Even Elizabeth your relative is going to have a child in her old age, and she who was said to be barren is in her sixth month. 37For nothing is impossible with God.”

38″I am the Lord’s servant,” Mary answered. “May it be to me as you have said.” Then the angel left her.

“Virgin Birth?
i dont know I wasnt there… but stranger things have happened.”

Like …?

“and besides the point…. the life and message of Jesus Christ has impacted millions of people, including myself, so there is no sense in doubting that.”

Yes, did I doubt it anywhere?

“believing a talking snake? i dont know either, but I know many people believe the forked tongues of (most) politicians… so what does THIS say about THAT Mr. smart guy?”

Thanks for confirming my point. I am not one of those many people who believes in the nonsense uttered by our dear politicians. But on that same token, I don’t believe in the hideous stories of the virgin birth and the talking snake either, no matter HOW MANY people do …

i dont know I wasnt there… but stranger things have happened.

and besides the point…. the life and message of Jesus Christ has impacted millions of people, including myself, so there is no sense in doubting that.

believing a talking snake? i dont know either, but I know many people believe the forked tongues of (most) politicians… so what does THIS say about THAT Mr. smart guy?

remember, this is important ,that to understand history we much disseminate it.

“You are saying that the belief in the virgin birth is a key element of Christian faith, not me. I would think that you would consider the concepts of peace and compassion that actually have an impact of how humans live on earth would be more relevant to you in defense of your faith. An event that has absolutely no bearing on our life on earth today and on top of that sounds plain silly doesn’t embolden your case for Christianity.”

Well, maybe you should learn a bit about the principles of Christianity and those people who call themselves Christians before you speak your opinions. I’m not the one who made the statement and “inadvertently” bashed a critical part of the Christian belief about Jesus’ divinity and virgin birth (after all that is why He had to be born through a virgin in the 1st place… to maintain that divinity part), you did…. maybe you should thank me for making you aware of Ron Paul’s Christian faith and the very high probability that your posted opinion about this core Christian belief as lunacy is quite relevant to his beliefs as a confessing Christian,…. your welcome. Twist it how you may, it doesn’t change that fact. I’m just sharing with you some facts about what confessing Christians actually believe… this is not my opinion, as I did not create Christianity, I read what the bible has to say about it and shared this with you… being that you are very much opposed to actually reading the bible.

I see you value education by your preferred reading list… well riddle me this: why is the bible still to this day the most widely read book of all time and #2 isn’t even close. I guess “the fairy tales” have a certain ring to them that has just kept people entertained for all these years…. Maybe it’s that most of us millions and millions of people who choose to read the bible and believe in God and what it says are just uneducated, simple minded folk who like to believe that fairy tales are real?

Maybe those founding fathers of this country were those very lunatics who believed in Jesus’ virgin birth as well…. after all, 55 of 58 of them were believed to be orthodox Christians and George Washington is quoted as saying, “It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible.”
Again, twist it however you choose, I’m sharing facts with you here about what your lunacy comments imply… this is not my opinion, simply the facts…. Maybe we should have all this belief in Jesus and Christian lunacy stuff stricken from all of our country’s foundational documents, eh?

Ahhh… very good – yes Jesus did tell His followers quite a few peaceful, and very wise sayings that people (even non-Christians) respect and believe to be excellent teachings. But you know what… it’s that part about Him declaring himself to be God that catches people up, because after all people who call themselves God today…. well we know what we think of them, right? LOONIES!

Well then, tell me why anyone would want to follow the teachings of a man who in actuality should be labeled a lunatic by today’s standards for claiming to be God? So I believe it’s up to you to determine if He indeed is a lunatic, or actually who He claims to be: God…. but it seems quite clear you are very content to not even consider this…

ahhh… to pick and choose parts of the bible that we wish to believe… well how different in the end is that from the global warming scientists who chose to highlight only the data that supported their own belief system rather than the actual WHOLE TRUTH!

“An event that has absolutely no bearing on our life on earth today and on top of that sounds plain silly doesn’t embolden your case for Christianity”

Correct, it may have absolutely no bearing on your life on earth today, but actually, yes it does when the country you live in was founded by Christian men based on Christian biblical principles… and the freedoms you enjoy today are due to the sacrifice and spilled blood of many many many Christian, Jesus, bible believing men.